How will the new rules affect the game?

Heffis · Aug 18, 2008

This pretty much only applies to the total. With new rules implemented this year to try to increase the "flow" of a game (read: shorten). Two new rules with the time will be the implementation of a 40 second clock in place of the old 25 second clock. This clock will begin as soon as the previous play is dead, instead of before when the clock began when the ball was spotted. Also, the clock will resume running after out of bounds plays as soon as the ball is spotted instead of keeping the clock dead until the snap.

I have to believe we will see a high amount of UNDERs cashing in the early going of the season until Vegas can adjust to the new rules. How are you guys seeing this playing out early on?

clowncar · Aug 18, 2008

Heffis said:
This pretty much only applies to the total. With new rules implemented this year to try to increase the "flow" of a game (read: shorten). Two new rules with the time will be the implementation of a 40 second clock in place of the old 25 second clock. This clock will begin as soon as the previous play is dead, instead of before when the clock began when the ball was spotted. Also, the clock will resume running after out of bounds plays as soon as the ball is spotted instead of keeping the clock dead until the snap.

I have to believe we will see a high amount of UNDERs cashing in the early going of the season until Vegas can adjust to the new rules. How are you guys seeing this playing out early on?

Any rule that decreases the number of plays in a game creates greater value for the dogs and for the unders unless the rule changes are already accounted for in the line. The opposite would be true of any new rules that increase the number of plays in favor of overs and favorites.

Heffis · Aug 18, 2008

thanks for the analytical answer. I'm not sure how a book can adjust for a rule they have never seen in use at this level. I guess what I am looking at is how do you see these rule changes affecting your handicapping of the first week or so of the college season.

GoSooners · Aug 18, 2008

Heffis said:
This pretty much only applies to the total. With new rules implemented this year to try to increase the "flow" of a game (read: shorten). Two new rules with the time will be the implementation of a 40 second clock in place of the old 25 second clock. This clock will begin as soon as the previous play is dead, instead of before when the clock began when the ball was spotted. Also, the clock will resume running after out of bounds plays as soon as the ball is spotted instead of keeping the clock dead until the snap.

I have to believe we will see a high amount of UNDERs cashing in the early going of the season until Vegas can adjust to the new rules. How are you guys seeing this playing out early on?

I'm going to wait and see how this affects the game before I start pulling the trigger on a bunch of unders. Most of the teams out there are going to be prepared for this rule. The game will definitely be sped up with this rule..But many teams are also going to the no huddle or a version of the no-huddle to get more plays in. I think how this rule affects a team is going to vary from stadium to stadium and team to team.. A hostile atmosphere could affect an opposing team..Especially one with an inexperienced QB going on the road for the first time..But with other fast paced no-huddle teams like Kansas, Texas Tech and Missouri in the Big 12, i don't believe this rule will have any affect on the number of plays these teams run a game..In fact they've also impletmented a rule this year that in the last two minutes of a half or game, the clock won't start until the snap. This rule should allow the offenses to maximize the use of the clock to where they can get off more plays..And good no-huddle teams should really be able to take advantage it.

trentmoney · Aug 18, 2008

the number of plays shouldn't reduce by that much

out of bounds plays will run at most 25 seconds off the clock but that rule doesn't apply for last 2 minutes of each half...

the other rule will actually INCREASE the number of plays.. it used to take around 20 seconds to spot the ball and then the 25 second clock meant there could be as much as 45+ seconds between plays... now there is AT MOST 40 seconds between plays... also a lot of offenses are going no-huddle because of this because the pace will be quicker

so one rule will cut the number of plays and one rule will add to the number of plays so the difference should be negligible

i'm sure after the first few weeks they'll put a stat up for number of plays between this year and last and there i would be surprised if there was more than a 5 play difference in total plays for the whole game

2 years ago there were a 10% difference in total plays, which resulted in around 14 plays a game difference... these rule changes WILL NOT have a similar effect

trentmoney · Aug 18, 2008

also remember that on out of bounds plays the teams can AT MOST burn 25 seconds... but they certainly don't have to... so if they snap it at 10-15 on the play clock they will only be burning 10-15 seconds on about 35 plays a game, while they could be saving around 5 seconds on about 100 plays so it will most likely even out

SoonerBS · Aug 18, 2008

No matter what the rule change, UNDERS do well at the beginning of the season as the defenses are usually advanced a bit more than the offenses. Still, you have to pick the right matchup . . . .

clowncar · Aug 18, 2008

The entire purpose of the rule is to speed up the game so that it fits nicely into the time allotted by the TV networks. If it does not reduce the number of plays and thereby the length of the game , then it is a complete failure of intent.

Even in the case of teams that will use no-huddle it will drastically reduce plays. No-huddle teams are the more likely candidates for plays ending out of bounds. Also, they only account for one side of the action. I agree with gosooners that i will wait and see how many plays actually are cut as a result of this. But it hink it would be an error not to start out assuming there will be atleast a small decrease in number of plays.

The other factor to take into account is that there are going to be a lot more delay of game penalties this year , especially at the start of the year. Moves the offense back five yards.

Should be interesting. I would much have preferred that they reduce the halftime by 7 minutes to save some time and stagger the starts a little bit ... maybe start the morning games at 1145 instead of 12noon.

Why they feel the need to ruin the best sport on the planet is a mystery to me.

cadillacman · Aug 18, 2008

the clock rules of 2006 were dreadful..These don't seem too bad, but I liked the way things were..Always trying to change something when they should be just left alone.

SoonerBS · Aug 18, 2008

clowncar said:
The entire purpose of the rule is to speed up the game so that it fits nicely into the time allotted by the TV networks. If it does not reduce the number of plays and thereby the length of the game , then it is a complete failure of intent.

Even in the case of teams that will use no-huddle it will drastically reduce plays. No-huddle teams are the more likely candidates for plays ending out of bounds. Also, they only account for one side of the action. I agree with gosooners that i will wait and see how many plays actually are cut as a result of this. But it hink it would be an error not to start out assuming there will be atleast a small decrease in number of plays.

The other factor to take into account is that there are going to be a lot more delay of game penalties this year , especially at the start of the year. Moves the offense back five yards.

Should be interesting. I would much have preferred that they reduce the halftime by 7 minutes to save some time and stagger the starts a little bit ... maybe start the morning games at 1145 instead of 12noon.

Why they feel the need to ruin the best sport on the planet is a mystery to me.

That about says it all right there . . . . .

mws · Aug 19, 2008

the other rule will actually INCREASE the number of plays.. it used to take around 20 seconds to spot the ball and then the 25 second clock meant there could be as much as 45+ seconds between plays....

When you bet totals, you watch the clock like a hawk. I bet LOTS of totals, and the typical time to spot the ball is 12 or 13 seconds.

mws · Aug 19, 2008

Even in the case of teams that will use no-huddle it will drastically reduce plays. No-huddle teams are the more likely candidates for plays ending out of bounds.

Exactly.

trentmoney · Aug 19, 2008

mws said:
When you bet totals, you watch the clock like a hawk. I bet LOTS of totals, and the typical time to spot the ball is 12 or 13 seconds.

i have a couple of games on my dvr and just checked a few plays... it definitely varies on the play but i did see a bunch around 12-13 seconds but also some at 16 secs and a few at about 20 so it probably avgs about 15 which makes no difference once you add the 25 sec play clock

:toast:

sdf · Aug 19, 2008

SoonerBS said:
No matter what the rule change, UNDERS do well at the beginning of the season as the defenses are usually advanced a bit more than the offenses. Still, you have to pick the right matchup . . . .

true. i find unders do well when you have new QBs for both sides in game 1....it doesnt happen often, but it's often a good indicator for an under bet.

mws · Aug 20, 2008

i have a couple of games on my dvr and just checked a few plays

I'm going by memory, but I need to watch the games on my DVR as well.:toast:

Snookslayer · Aug 20, 2008

It seems logical that the clock should stop when a player runs out of bounds. I don't care for that change.

Regardless, these changes don't help the overs.

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